1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 We received a call about 10.30 from the State Police Barracks of the county. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 And I had talked to the trooper who had just came back from the scene of this incident. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 And he felt that something definitely had going on. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:24,000 And the main person involved in it, the former son who had seen the creatures, 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 who shot at them was at the barracks at the time, so I questioned him over the phone. 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,000 And they had indicated that the object had landed and was sitting on the ground, 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 and the creatures had been seen, and that there was a glowing area, glowing ring, 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,000 that was apparent after the object had disappeared. 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,000 So we got together, Phil team, we had Dave Smith who's a physics teacher and 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,000 facility defense radiation defense officer. 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,000 We had a professional photographer, George Loots, who is the co-director of our group, 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 who's a former Air Force pilot and the major near force reserves. 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 I can't think we had a sociology major with us myself. 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 We went out, we made arrangements to meet with the farmer's son who's 22 years old, 15 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,000 who was the main witness, but he looks much older for his age. 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:15,000 He's about 6'2", weighs about 270 pounds from around there, 280 pounds. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 How was the following day? 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 That was that night, a couple hours after the incident occurred. 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 The incident occurred at 9 o'clock. 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 And you were there about 11? 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Well, they caught us about 10.30 until we got up there, about an hour drive. 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I told them we got there around 12.30, and until we got to the scene, 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 it was about 1 o'clock in the morning. 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 But anyhow, before we got to the scene, we interviewed them, 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 and here we later had about 9 o'clock, about 15 of the people in the area 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:45,000 had seen a glowing red ball in the sky, spherical, and slowly descending towards the ground. 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,000 So this fellow, George, and these two 11-year-old twins were down the road. 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,000 They ran to his house, and they got a .30-gut 6-rifle, 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,000 and they proceeded up in his truck up the back road towards the pasture area. 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And they could see the object slowly descending towards the ground, 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 and it was getting larger, of course, as it came down. 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 There were headlights and the trucks started to dim, 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,000 and they were just going up toward the top of the hill, the horizon, the hill, 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 and disappeared over the horizon. 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 So they got out of their truck and started walking up the hill, 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000 and they could see it sitting on the pasture, 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,000 apparently right on the ground, or else inches above it. 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 They said it was much larger than the house, about 100 feet in diameter, 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:29,000 and it was like a dome or a bubble shape thing, and it was bright and white at this time. 40 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,000 It was making it sound like a wild lawnmower. 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Their eyes started to water a little from the brightness of it, 42 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,000 and then they heard these loud screaming sounds coming from the vicinity of the craft. 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 It sounded like a lady's scream or whatever, unusual screaming sounds. 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 And then after about a minute or so, one of the boys yelled at her 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 with something moving up along the fence line, 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,000 so they pointed up there, which was opposite where the craft was on the ground, 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 and there were these two figures walking towards them. 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,000 At first they couldn't tell exactly what they were. 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 They assumed they were bears, but from the light of the craft, 50 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 and also this fellow had two military tracers around, 51 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,000 which he fired directly over their head, 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 and just let up for a second, but it gave them some more insight into what they were observing. 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Anyhow, they were then able to make out at least one figure, 54 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 and the figure was about eight feet tall and the other one around seven foot. 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,000 They were described very similar to the other creatures, 56 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 completely covered from hair from head to toe, 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 long arms almost reaching to the ground, 58 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 they're making crying sounds on each other. 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 There was a small, like burning tire, burning rubber, 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 and they had, in these cases, glowing green eyes, 61 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 which we had another case of beaver falls a week later, 62 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 of a landing and creatures being seen. 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Anyhow, he fired a tracer round over their head, 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 and he fired a warning shot, a .30 out of six, over their head, 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,000 to see if they would slow down, but they kept approaching two of them, 66 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 they were about 60 feet away. 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 One of the boys, upon seeing this, ran, became hysterical, 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 and the other boy stayed with George. 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Then he fired directly into the larger creature. 70 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Each time he hit it, it made a lot of crying sounds, 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,000 and then finally it raised its right hand up, 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,000 almost touching the smaller creature, which was walking in front of it, 73 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 and all of a sudden as it raised its hand, 74 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 the object in the field just disappeared. 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,000 The light just went out and disappeared, and the sound stopped, 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,000 and then the creature slowly turned around, 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,000 and started walking back into the woods. 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,000 So at this point, they were both quite shook up, 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 and they ran back, called the State Police, 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 and State Trooper came out to the area, 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 and George went back up with him. 82 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 He went and notified the State Police, 83 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 and State Trooper went back to the area, I believe, 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 around 10.30, I think he went out there around 10.30, 85 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000 until he got called by radio to go out to the area. 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 And George told him what he had seen, 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 the Trooper proceeded up to the area. 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 Trooper verified that they did see what appeared to be a glowing ring, 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 about 150 feet in diameter, where the object had been sitting, 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,000 and he said that the ring was bright enough 91 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,000 that if you sat down in it, you could read a newspaper, buy it. 92 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,000 It was only glowing from a height of about one foot off the ground, 93 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 but he also said that he could see the small plants 94 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 inside of the glowing area, so it was fairly bright. 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 No, this was the Police Agency that did that. 96 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 The State Trooper was with him. They both saw that. 97 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 And he said they were walking up along the woods 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 where George had seen the creatures, 99 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 and the Trooper confirmed that every time they'd walk, 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 they'd hear something falling them along the woods. 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 He said from the sound of it, it didn't appear to be real big, 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 but it was falling them around, and every time they would stop, 103 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000 the sound would keep moving for a few seconds, 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,000 and it would stop, and when they started moving, it would move. 105 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Basically, that's what occurred there. 106 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Before that went back, George had an opinion 107 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 that something was coming out of the woods. 108 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000 He heard it coming towards them, and he claimed to saw a dark figure 109 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 coming out of the woods, and so he took a shot at it, 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 and they ran in a state police car, and they turned around 111 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 and got out of there, and that's when they went back to the barracks, 112 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 and they called us, and we went up. 113 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 All right, now when you arrived, the glow was all gone. 114 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 There was nothing there. We took radiation tests immediately first. 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,000 All right, now did you go back the following day? 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 We were there, well, we were there for a number of days afterwards. 117 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 All right, now was there any physical trace left that you could find? 118 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 There was no physical trace. 119 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,000 There was nothing that indicated that it definitely had been on the ground 120 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 and may have been right above, but the animals would not go near the area. 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 The horses and cattle and dogs, and as Trooper said too, 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 the animals were extremely nervous. 123 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Now were they avoiding the area after the drill? 124 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,000 They were avoiding the area after where they had disappeared from. 125 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 They wouldn't, they'd go in the outskirts of it, 126 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 but not in the immediate area where it was. 127 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 That's the unenviable sign you could see. 128 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 All right, but then of course there was no opportunity for you 129 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 to use any infrared photography up there. 130 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 No, well after the incident occurred that it probably related to you. 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,000 Did you tell you about what happened that night? 132 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 No, no. 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,000 With the mine control, whatever the takeover? 134 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Now what did happen to the mine takeover in this case? 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Well, we went back, and we were up there, 136 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,000 and we were looking around the area, 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,000 and must have been probably around 20 to one 138 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 when we were up in the field checking for radiation, 139 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 looking for any evidence. 140 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And George and his father were down below the truck 141 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 who was the main witness. 142 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 And all of a sudden both of them yelled, 143 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,000 told us to run down, and we went down, 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 and they said that the whole area by the house 145 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 had lit up bright green for a second. 146 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,000 The whole area lit up real bright, so the father was concerned, 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 so one of our fellows and George's father, 148 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 going in the Jeep, went down the house, 149 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 looked it over, couldn't find anything. 150 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 They came back 10 minutes later. 151 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 We proceeded up along the area where George 152 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 claimed he had seen the creatures. 153 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 So on the way up, we were just talking, 154 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 and all of a sudden the bull, which was out there, 155 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 came running out of the woods and was staring up 156 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 towards one part of the Witted area. 157 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 It wasn't bothering to pay any attention to us at all, 158 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 and all of a sudden his dog also started picking up a set of something 159 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 and started sniffing his way up towards there, 160 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 and he stopped and started looking around. 161 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 One of the guys in our group was on one side of George, 162 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,000 and George's father, who was George, 163 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 the main witness, of course, 164 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 and George's father was on his other side, 165 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 and they were just talking to him, 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 asking questions about it, 167 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 and one guy in our group asked him about 168 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,000 where exactly they were standing or whatever, 169 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,000 and he didn't answer them. 170 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Then he asked him again, and when he looked at him, 171 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 he was like going like this rubbing his hands over his head, 172 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 and he thought maybe a branch had hit him. 173 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,000 And he asked him a question again, 174 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 and all of a sudden George had his hand over his head, 175 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 and he started waving back and forth like he was going to faint a collapse. 176 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 So he yelled to his father to grab him right away 177 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,000 at something was happening, 178 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,000 and they were trying to get him down the ground, 179 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,000 but he wouldn't get down. 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 He started breathing real heavy and heavy, 181 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 and then all of a sudden he just threw them both. 182 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,000 He just threw them both, the ground, the father, 183 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 and the other guy in our group, 184 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 and all of a sudden he started leaving out these very loud screams. 185 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 He started walking around in motion just like a loud animal, 186 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 and he started swinging and screaming. 187 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 His own dog attacked him, 188 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 and the dogs started crying after that. 189 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 And he was making the dogs start crying. 190 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 And you witnessed this? 191 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,000 We have it all on tape. The whole thing hasn't happened. 192 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Everything. 193 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Anyhow, George was going around making these terrible sounds, 194 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 and the last roar that he made 195 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 is identical to the sound of these creatures we have taped. 196 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,000 It's a sound that you couldn't duplicate with a human voice. 197 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 And all of a sudden he just more or less collapsed 198 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 directly on his face, just straight down right into the... 199 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,000 There was horse manure over the place, 200 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 and it just came straight down with his face into the ground. 201 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 And we ran over and picked him up. 202 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000 Just after this occurred, one of the other fellas, 203 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 and they was with us too, 204 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 one of the other fellas in our group started to get lightheaded, 205 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,000 and he couldn't maneuver properly, 206 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 and he was down on his knees. 207 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 And then Dave couldn't breathe at all. 208 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 He had trouble breathing. 209 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 And then this terrible, strong chemical odor came out of the woods. 210 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 We all smelt it. Most of us all smelt it at the time. 211 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 This came out in a wave. 212 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 The same thing all the witnesses have described with the creature. 213 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 It's a very strong, sulfur-uric-like smell. 214 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Almost if you took these old kitchen matches 215 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,000 and struck them, but they didn't light. 216 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 It was a very strong smell like that. 217 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 We were getting George out of there, 218 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 and we were finding on his feet, 219 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 and one of our other guys, we were getting him back down, 220 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 and we realized something was happening, unusual. 221 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000 We wanted to get out of the area very quickly, 222 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,000 which we, thank God, did. 223 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,000 This fella, George, as he came out of it, 224 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 he was talking about this man in a dark cape with a hood 225 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,000 that was calling him and told him 226 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 that the man didn't hurry up and shape up, 227 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 that the end would come soon. 228 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,000 And things of this nature would happen. 229 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,000 There's no way we can really describe the whole incident. 230 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 The closest thing you can describe to it 231 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 is what's known as diabolical or demon possession. 232 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,000 However, in this case, and from reports we've had since, 233 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,000 even though I've always been very reluctant to connect UFOs and creatures, 234 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,000 no doubt there probably is a connection now. 235 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 But it seems there is some type of mind control involved in these cases, 236 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,000 where they are able to take control of certain people at certain times. 237 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,000 And Dr. Schwartz was here from New Jersey working on the case. 238 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 We've had other people involved in it. 239 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 We've had a number of other similar cases now, 240 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 people have come forward to who were involved in a Bigfoot situation, 241 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 where they have had all type of psychic phenomena, 242 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,000 poltergeist activity, memory lapses, 243 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 and things of this nature, all in the last few months, 244 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 associated with the Bigfoot cases. 245 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 And these are people who had no previous knowledge of this. 246 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 And most of these cases, like in one case, 247 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,000 the teenage boy taught his mother about it, 248 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,000 but he doesn't want to talk to anybody about it because he said he's afraid to, 249 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,000 because he feels that somebody is watching him, 250 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,000 and if he says anything about it, something will happen to him. 251 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,000 And he's had two car accidents since the occurrence, 252 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000 where there was no reason why he should have had a car accident. 253 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000 In fact, another boy who was with him at the initial experience 254 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,000 also had a car accident in a different car on the same night. 255 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:08,000 All right, now, did you personally have anything with smacked of mind control? 256 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 To me? Nothing happened to me except to smell. 257 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 We all smelt at the time. 258 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And, believe me, the guys in the group, 259 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 especially some of the guys with their that night, 260 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 are extremely skeptical. 261 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,000 They're open minded, but very skeptical. 262 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 And I would never believe it unless I saw it myself. 263 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 But there's no doubt that something happened up there. 264 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Now, the dog attacked the master. 265 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 More or less, yeah. 266 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 And then it started crying. 267 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Then the dog started crying. 268 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Well, the dog belongs to the boy's, the fellow's father. 269 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 But you would say it's his dog too. 270 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Yeah, but they were well acquainted. 271 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Oh, definitely, definitely. 272 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,000 It's been a whole life out there together. 273 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 How did he indeed bite the boy? 274 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 The dog? No, he got scared. 275 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 He went after it, the dog went over and started crying. 276 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,000 He moved away, started crying, which is all on the tape. 277 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,000 What do I have to do to get a copy of that tape? 278 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Well, I'll tell you what. It's like this Dutch of Schwartz. 279 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,000 There's only two of us in our group that have a copy of it. 280 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,000 And because of what occurred, Dr. Schwartz has right now asked us not to. 281 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Because of what's involved in it. 282 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Until we can get more documentation on it and so forth. 283 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Because if we got the wrong hands by mistake, 284 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 this guy is like Dr. Schwartz says, 285 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 he apparently could be very dangerous. 286 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,000 He could kill himself or somebody else without even understanding what's going on. 287 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Doesn't he have any reoccurrence that he has had? 288 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Not on this, but when certain questions are asked of him, 289 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 he'll go into a trance. 290 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 We put him out several times and he went in a bunch of dozen times when Schwartz was here. 291 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,000 And anytime certain questions are answered, 292 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,000 he'll go into this trance and start rubbing his head again and start to change. 293 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 We catch him before it happens. 294 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 And how do you break it then? 295 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,000 Well, we just scream a lot. 296 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,000 George Schwartz tried to change the subject and try to get him off of it. 297 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Is he aware of this takeover? 298 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Well, he wasn't, but Dr. Schwartz has made him aware of it for special reasons now. 299 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Certain aspects of it. 300 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,000 How does Schwartz fit into the picture? 301 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,000 What's his qualification? 302 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000 Dr. Schwartz is one of the top very prominent psychiatrists in the United States. 303 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,000 And he spent many years investigating the risk of having a psychic phenomenon 304 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,000 and contact the cases and so forth. 305 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,000 I've been in touch with him for a while and he was playing on it coming down here anyhow about a week later. 306 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,000 So when this broke and the guy on the verge of suicide, 307 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 we asked him and he came down early. 308 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 And he's been working on the case. 309 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 He doesn't have to because of the situation the way it is. 310 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 He'll be sending a complete medical report and all, 311 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000 but this fellow is in a state of trance anyhow. 312 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,000 It does not need to be put on a hypnosis because of the situation he's in. 313 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000 But not at all. 314 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,000 No, but it's a very involved case that takes hours and hours to cover everything we found out, 315 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,000 what's occurred in this case. 316 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000 And there's so much involved in it. 317 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 It's a very complicated matter. 318 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000 And Dr. Schwartz will be writing it off of Flying Saucer Review, 319 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,000 the whole medical aspect of it. 320 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Oh, he will. 321 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Yeah. 322 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,000 I want you to get into the Penn Hills case with Mr. Naff. 323 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Okay, well, I don't know too much more about it than earlier what you do. 324 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,000 It happened on, I believe, September we were caught up there. 325 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000 There had been reports of some type of hairy creature seen up in that area. 326 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,000 The people had called the radio and TV station in Pittsburgh, 327 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 who in turn called me. 328 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 And we went up to contact the people, went up there the next night. 329 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,000 And one fellow was an official of the bank up there, 330 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 who had been one of the fellows who had taken the actual cast. 331 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,000 We talked to several fellows, young boys, 332 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 who had been up there on their motorbikes riding in this oil field, 333 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,000 where they had seen the creature in the trees and on the ground. 334 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,000 And so we went up and obtained the cast and looked over the area. 335 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,000 It's interesting again, it was an oil field because a lot of the cases seemed to involve 336 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 chemical odors, seem to be attracted to these creatures. 337 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Alright, now what was the description of this particular creature? 338 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 They said it was like a very large monkey. 339 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,000 This does not fit the description of the creatures we have down here. 340 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 What color was it? 341 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 They said it was black or dark. 342 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Well, I was thinking this one was black. 343 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000 These were up in the trees. 344 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,000 This was up in the tree. 345 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 In one case, it was walking along the road in front of them, 346 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 but from the angle, with the lights on the motorbike, 347 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,000 they didn't see from the waist down. 348 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 And there was a tail on this one. 349 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,000 We definitely saw a tail, like a large monkey in the trees. 350 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000 But we did find that people in that area a year before reporting things to monkeys up there also 351 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,000 would look like monkeys were afraid to report it. 352 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Do you think there was a possibility that there were monkeys? 353 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Well, of course, anything is possible, 354 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,000 but the fact is we've had other reports of smaller creatures like this around here in the spring. 355 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,000 And who knows, apparently from reports we have, 356 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,000 several various types of unusual creatures have been showing up all at one time. 357 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 So I think apparently we're dealing with more than one type of thing. 358 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 And why all at once is your guess as good as mine? 359 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Yeah, this mine control is extremely fascinating to me, 360 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,000 because we've had some smackings of this, of course, 361 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,000 with some of the contactee people and their relationship to other people. 362 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,000 Yes, that's correct. 363 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,000 So is there anything else you feel you'd like to... 364 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 I'll tell you, as soon as there's a lot more, 365 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,000 it's going to take us a long time to get all the facts straightened out 366 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 and have short sustainments. 367 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000 And when you come back next time by then, 368 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 I'll probably can fill you in a lot more deeply on what the aspects of it are. 369 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Okay, Stan, thanks a lot for this. 370 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:30,000 And I could actually give a great deal just to... 371 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:36,000 because this subconscious control is of extreme importance to everybody. 372 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Extreme importance and it's extremely dangerous. 373 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 And it's... any more, as you'll find, 374 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,000 most UFO investigators have never gotten this involved in it. 375 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 But they'll find that this is nothing to play with, it's not a game. 376 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Do you feel like you have any immunity to it? 377 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 I don't think anybody does, 378 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 because we don't know the folks down what we're dealing with. 379 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,000 But it's like this, I feel that if they wanted to hurt us, 380 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 there was nothing stopping them that night. 381 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 They could... we were out isolated from anyone else. 382 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,000 We were all there and apparently something was there. 383 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 And the animal sensed it. 384 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 If it wasn't for the fact that the animal's sense that we had smelled it, 385 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,000 I would say, well, this guy was something a psychological aspect about it, 386 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 even though his medical records didn't indicate any of this type of thing. 387 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,000 There's no reason why this should have occurred to him. 388 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 And plus the fact that we had three people saw the creatures, 389 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 15 people saw the UFO landing, 390 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:35,000 plus the fact that we've had other cases now from other counties with creatures 391 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,000 and the mind control aspects coming up that I can't laugh at it, 392 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 there's definitely something definitely happening. 393 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Well, of course, you have a growing cataloging of this type of incident. 394 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 That's correct. 395 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Obviously, frequency and the similarity is bound to lend credits to previous stories. 396 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Yes, but this is something, again, that you couldn't come out publicly with, 397 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,000 because first of all, it's something we don't understand, 398 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,000 and it's something that would greatly be ridiculed, 399 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,000 but it's extremely a serious problem. 400 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 I don't know if you're aware of it or not, 401 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,000 but a croaker truck driver was down here in this area, 402 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 and he gave us most of these details in Acre. 403 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Now, I don't know where he got them, 404 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 but he did give us most of these details. 405 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 About what? 406 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 About the incident up there on the farm. 407 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Well, he probably heard about shooting. 408 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,000 It was in the papers up there. 409 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,000 It was in the papers. 410 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Yeah, it's all going to give us. 411 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 And about this glowing circle. 412 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I think it mentioned there about a glowing ring, 413 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 but this guy probably mentioned other people in Meanytown, too. 414 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,000 A word spread pretty fast after it was in the papers. 415 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 Because I was surprised. 416 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000 But nobody knows about this mine control aspect, 417 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000 except the state troopers, that's all. 418 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000 And how did they... 419 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 They're just... 420 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 The state police are taking it extremely serious, 421 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000 and they're not laughing a bit. 422 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 They gave us the Fantastic Corporation, 423 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 and as well as many other barracks over the state 424 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 who have been helping us out tremendously. 425 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Thank you.